Would love to see this video if you can link it for me =)

Generally pretty happy with this feedback. Little nervous about Ishtar and Cerb because of everyone being so happy, but hopefully we haven't gone too far.

For those of you concerned with Vaga I have to say your expectations are a bit over the top, except the complaint that the Cynabal is too good relative to Vaga, which I already said I agree with.

Sacrilege folks seem a bit divided depending on how they imagine using it and I promise to keep an eye on the active capabilities following the cap adjustment once people get to start using it, but I think it will be fine.

Have to agree on the points with the Sacrilege. It should have -1 high slot to low slot, -1 launcher (4 total) and 10%/level of missile damage. That'd make it a superb tanking platform, keep its damage competitive and provide a utility high.

For everyone else crying out for drones in the Zealot: really the proliferation of drone bays is troubling. I'm not sure why we went from a "drone specialized" race, added a "drone interested" race and now, it seems, every race needs to have some sort of drone bay....which, btw, we all know is just going to be stuffed with EC-300s. Please stop the proliferation of drones for every ship. Not every ship needs a drone bay. I mean, I honestly wonder why ships like the Vigil got a drone at all. Some of these choices for drone bays don't make any sense, tbh. So no, please don't add a drone bay to the Zealot (and perhaps remove them from others).

Don't be assholes guys. They're clearly trying to iterate towards a solution that works for as many people as possible. No balance pass is going to make everyone happy.

That being said, there are a lot of improvements that could be made to this current iteration. The Sac changes proposed by Sarkelias come to mind. The weird bonuses on the Ishtar as well. The sig explosions from T1 to T2, specifically on the Deimos but on other HACs as well just don't make sense. The Eagle is still a red-headed step child. It's not fast enough to kite (and its damage is aneimic), its sig + shield tanking reduce the effectiveness as an up close brawler.

Good steps, but at least another iteration to go still.

Wow ! I'm realizing people are complaining about the Deimos losing a utility high slot for a mid slot...

Then, I understand why CCP is rather conservative in these changes. The ships are mostly only better than before in a lot of ways, and yet people cry, and often for no real reason, like the Sacrilege capacitor or the Vagabond shield boost bonus.

I'm losing hope for humanity.

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Hi all

Wanted to post and let you know I haven't disappeared or something, just had to go home and sleep and stuff.

I've been reading all of this and will continue to do so. I would not expect any changes at the scale of this last iteration, maybe some small tweaks after a few more days of feedback at the most.

We are a little concerned that some overpowered configurations might be popular following these changes, but I know many of you are still worried they aren't powerful enough. I'll keep reading for now and if we decide to make any changes you will be the first to know.

Thanks!

The Vaga, as you have it now, is ****. It's not a kiter and it's a poor brawler. Used to be an awesome solo ship and now..... :(

Since you insist on having an XLASB on there we will be alpha'd off the field if we come across a gang with a Tornado and any other ship. Yes we don't have to fit one to not fit one would force us into anemic DPS with smaller guns.

It's not that the Cynabal is too good relative to the Vaga. It's better performance for the cost. Vagas are just too expensive for what you are proposing. It's original role was as a kiting solo ship.

Cynabal, SFI and even the stabber is better performance for the ISK. It really saddens me but, like I said before, I'll put my Vaga away for another day.

The above is everything CCP Rise has said about the Eagle. CCP Rise is lost for words when it comes to the Eagle - it is apparently is the worst ship but does not need any major overhaul. Apparently rails are going to save it...

The Eagle has been trading in Jita below its build cost since the EHP increase back in the last decade. I'm not surprised there is less debate about it - few people have bothered to fly it.

As a game designer you appear to be unable to express why the game needs the Eagle. To paraphrase someone else in this thread who I'd like to quote but cannot find again:

If you removed the Eagle from the game nobody would notice.


Here is a recommendation - delete the Eagle - I really think the old bird is cooked.

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